It’s an Odd Future

November 11, 2011 in General

Alright, lesbi-honest! So since I wrote my last blog about Odd Future being banned from playing Big Day Out I have gotten a few comments. A shout out to those who understood what I was trying to say. There were others who misinterpreted what I was trying to say. One person even felt as though I was okay with homophobia and proceeded to post videos of kids being bullied on the comments. First I’d like to say that I do not in anyway agree, accept or condone bullying. I’m freaking Asian and I’m gay…Bitch please! I know what bullying is and how it feels to be in their shoes. Yeah I got bullied, but does it mean I miss out on anything? Not really. K so maybe I miss out on sausage…but I love tacos so who cares. And as an Asian I lose out on good driving skills but I’m awesome at maths. Dyke, rug muncher, shitty driver, gook, you can throw it at me but it ain’t gonna hurt me because I am all those things…except the rug muncher…I prefer rug-less. I get that we want to keep kids safe and away from harms way but from my point of view, sheltering them isn’t the way. Hiding them from these words doesn’t teach them how to fight this battle we are fighting for. Those words are used everyday by homos, straights, kids of straight families, kids with 2 mums or 2 dads, uncles, aunties, cousins and friends. Maybe instead of fighting for these words not to be used we follow suit and change the meaning of it. It’s like the word pants. Somebody told me once that in the old days the word pants was used as a swear word. Now it means the piece of fabric you wear over your legs and genitals.

For all of those who want to break it down to the content of OFWGKTA’s songs then I request that we review other media that we find in this country. Romeo and Juliet should be banned from school literature because it ends in suicide. The story of Princess and the Frog should be banned because it encourages beastiality. Katie Perry should not be allowed to play in NZ ever again because she encourages bar-sexuality which many lesbians in the gay community consider as a disrespect to lesbians everywhere…oh wait…when that song came out lots of lesbians loved that song even though it said that she kissed a girl and she liked it even though she has a boyfriend…oh so it also promotes poly-amorous relationships or adultery, which ever way you want to look at it.

We are fighting so hard as a community to gain acceptance and equality. We tell everybody that they must try and understand. But a lot of us wouldn’t try and understand. So how do we expect people to try to if we don’t ourselves? I agree that Odd Future uses bad words. We as adults understand what they mean by it…well some of us do. Kids would probably not get it when they say faggot or nigger. But this fag thinks that kids will always find a way to listen or see what they want to see no matter how hard you try and stop them. The only way to battle it is not by sheltering them from it but teaching them what we know now. I learnt a long time ago that to be happy I need to accept who I am with all the shit that comes with it. I got teased as fuck but I know now that if somebody mocks me for being gay or Asian, I have more words to make fun of myself than “urban dictionary”. What are they gonna say if you accept that you are a fag? During the rugby world cup my girlfriend and I had a run in with some Tongan fans. They stopped at the lights and as we walked past they started snickering and making fun of the fact that we were lesbians. What would I do? fight fire with fire? Hell no. I am freaking gay. So I turned around and yelled back “Yeah bro! Lesbians love Tonga!” Only thing they could do was cheer.

Homophobia, racism, bullying. It’s all gonna happen. What makes a difference is how we combat it. The world is rapidly changing. The way young people think of things is a whole ‘notha level. Before, there was only black and white and now there’s this big grey area and lots of things fall into that category. To help young kids through the hell of high school and bullying we need to understand how young people think these days. Some homophobic terms aren’t homophobic anymore. In my observation, the gay community has more derogatory terms towards gays than straight people. Twinkies, femmes, andros, bears, and most straights only know us as gays, lesbos, fags, homos or dykes. If we wanna keep nit picking then let’s clean up starting with ourselves. You don’t want those words to be used then stop using them yourself. A lot of you who read this can’t tell me that you have never once made fun of someone in the community by using one of those words. How about guessing out loud that the bad driver in front of you was Asian? But that doesn’t make you racist right? So why is it that it makes OFWGKTA homophobic?

It’s an Odd Future

7 Comments

    1. Craig says:

      Yeah, my standard response to anyone who disses me is usually “Well, mate, you’re in luck. I only fancy *men*.” During the RWC it was “Yeah, like Gareth Thomas, eh?” (For that reason, I got a lot of cheers from Welsh bypassers, who obviously still worship Alfie!)

    2. Craig says:

      Also- yeah, I *do* get uncomfortable with the liberal use of the n—-r word when used around Maori, Pacific Island, African-American or other people. I was brought up to regard it as a disgusting racist insult, because Mum comes from an Indian/Ngai Tahu background. Some people haven’t reclaimed it yet, like her generation.

      I’ve always felt ‘faggot’ was a stupid Americanism, anyway.

    3. patrick says:

      you know what… i don’t think they should be banned…
      but what i was trying to get you to do is recognise that the words used in their songs are the same that were used to bully those kids.
      and if you are asking us as a community to harden up … you should be able to say that to those kids.

      don’t insult my intelligence or misinterpret my intentions… your doing exactly what you claimed I did…
      you’re yet to prove to me that your brain can comprehend the similarities at all…

      puerile and boorish is what I’ll call you
      your as bad as the people you are railing against… you’re as much of a bully as you treat Callum and his ilk.

    4. Patrick (not the guy above) says:

      “First I’d like to say that I do not in any way agree, accept or condone bullying”
      Translated- ‘A long justification of how homophobic vilification is more or less acceptable, and pretty much all the victims fault.

      “We as adults understand what they mean by it…well some of us do. Kids would probably not get it when they say faggot or nigger. But this fag thinks that kids will always find a way to listen or see what they want to see no matter how hard you try and stop them. ”

      How ridiculous. If a child has been called a fag since age five, they know precisely what it means. They may not know its exact definition, but they know it’s ‘that’ term used to mock, ridicule, humiliate, denigrate and persecute them on a daily basis. Utterly lacking in this debate is the ability to read between the lines. Sure as hell we’re not going to ban them, and kids will undoubtedly listen to them if the police raided them and confiscated their music.
      What we are trying to do is de-legitimise them- to get council to send a strong counter message emphasising that homophobic vilification is utterly unacceptable- no different to white man calling a black man a nigger- content which they would rightfully ban and which is no different to what Odd Future are doing. To fail to ban them would reek of double standards- although perfectly palatable for assimilationist, invertebrate queers- not so appealing to those searching for a gesture of support from authorities. Such racism, and homophobia, should utterly repulse irrespective of circumstances.
      To paint this as a free speech issue is deceptive. Odd Future have an unrestricted right to play there music. However, any venue they request to host them has an equally unrestricted right to determine whether they accept or associate with Odd Future.. Therefore, if the group is entitled to express themselves freely, a festival/venue has exactly the same right to express their views about them- basically, if Odd Future has free speech, then venues/ festivals have freedom of association. It’s interesting to note however that both these rights aren’t absolute if they are used in a discriminatory way- and the only party doing that is Odd Future.
      “I learnt a long time ago that to be happy I need to accept who I am with all the shit that comes with it. I got teased as fuck but I know now that if somebody mocks me for being queer or Asian, I have more words to make fun of myself than “urban dictionary”. What are they gonna say if you accept that you are a fag?”
      After reading this, I think at first that you were either beaten so badly you lost all memory of homophobic bullying, or you experienced none at all. First off, you don’t have to accept any shit that comes your way because you were born a certain way. That’s why activists are trying to change society, just as it was changed for women and blacks. More immediately, I find it obscene that you are suggesting that vulnerable queer youth should accept whatever extreme homophobic bullying comes their way. If they’re self-abusing, suicidal or just depressed- you say- ‘harden the f*** up!’. Those who committed suicide must have been too weak. Amazingly, some of us believe that there should be no exponentially increased risk of depression, self-abuse and suicide for queer youth just because of the way they were born. And we are quite happy to stand up and say so-aren’t you?
      Want to know what happens to some queers who accept ‘their a fag’ in the face of extreme homophobia? They are vilified, bashed or sometimes killed. This has improved over the decades- not by queers becoming ‘more proud’, but by society becoming less homophobic through campaigning, visibility and legal improvements. Society at large is vilifying, hurting and killing us- and the sole onus is on them to change.
      The queer community are no hypocrites in the sense you refer. Sure, there is name calling. However, comparing us to the homophobes is insulting and naive. ‘Nigger’ is accepted among blacks, and reviled when used to vilify them by racists. Same applies to the word ‘faggot’. Why? They are not being vilified because they are a different race or sexuality. The insulter is not replicating the vilification and homophobic behaviour that has historically and continually persecuted and marginalised queer people.

    5. lesbotron says:

      Dear Patrick,

      It seems as though you have misinterpreted all that I have said. I like that you quote me as saying “harden the fuck up” to those who are bullied. Not once have I used any of those words. I do apologise if what I have written makes you believe that I’m such a bad person. I write using my experiences and if you disagree with them, fine but please refrain in putting words in my mouth or giving definitions to my words which they aren’t supposed to be.

    6. Patrick (the guy above) says:

      I didn’t quote you, I was trying to paraphrase or find a phrase that would basically summarize what you were saying, though I incorrectly made it into a quote.

      I think the real issue though is that you are victim blaming- rather than condemn the bullying and demand it ends, you are telling queer youth that they are not being strong enough. But as I said, a lot of us “believe that there should be no exponentially increased risk of depression, self-abuse and suicide for queer youth just because of the way they were born.” The onus is solely on society to adapt because society is the aggressor- and it can, as it has for blacks and women, and to a limited extent for quees as well, change.

      I don’t think you are a bad person. Your probably very nice. I just strenuously disagree with you.

    7. Painter says:

      Maybe I’m getting old, but it seems that the modern moral compass is askew while an understanding of the varying strength of people’s emotional resilience has disappeared. Why is it now acceptable to aggressively abuse others because of their race and/or sexuality? Even if the recipients of such abuse are ‘hardening up’, it’s not their responsibility, really – everyone must try their hardest to respect others’ dignity and humanity, no matter how much they disagree with aspect of opinion, religion or lifestyle, or recent a race. That is what makes us enlightened people, Lesbotron, not how good we are at swaying with aggression and disrespect. This shoe is firmly on the other foot, and we must demand it remains there!
      Patrick (the guy above), you’re spot on to point out that the organisers of BDO are fully entitled to say “Thanks, but no thanks, fellows, we don’t like your message and won’t have you.” And I trust they were probably able to give this response without any abusive frills!

It’s an Odd Future

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